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		<title>Comic Update: The HTML5 Super Friends</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[dan cederholm]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s comic, which features a massive ensemble cast of Jeffrey Zeldman, Dan Cederholm, Jeremy Keith, Eric Meyer, Ethan Marcotte, Tantek Çelik, Nicole Sullivan and Wendy Chisholm (guest starring Chris Wilson astride a unicorn), is something like gloss and candy. It&#8217;s not tackling a serious issue. Rather, it&#8217;s tackling a humorous name created by a group [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Link to CSSquirrel #35: The HTML5 Super Friends" href="/comic/?comic=35">Today&#8217;s comic</a>, which features a massive ensemble cast of <a title="Link to Zeldman" href="http://www.zeldman.com/" target="_blank">Jeffrey Zeldman</a>, <a title="Link to Dan Cederhom" href="http://simplebits.com/" target="_blank">Dan Cederholm</a>, <a title="Link to Jeremy Keith" href="http://www.adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a>, <a title="Link to Eric Meyer" href="http://www.meyerweb.com/" target="_blank">Eric Meyer</a>, <a title="Link to Ethan Marcotte" href="http://unstoppablerobotninja.com/" target="_blank">Ethan Marcotte</a>, <a title="Link to tantek" href="http://tantek.com/" target="_blank">Tantek Çelik</a>, <a title="Link to Nicole Sullivan" href="http://stubbornella.org/" target="_blank">Nicole Sullivan</a> and <a title="Link to Wendy Chisolm" href="http://sp1ral.com/tag/html5/" target="_blank">Wendy Chisholm</a> (guest starring <a title="Link to Chris Wilson" href="http://cwilso.com/" target="_blank">Chris Wilson</a> astride a unicorn), is something like gloss and candy. It&#8217;s not tackling a serious issue. Rather, it&#8217;s tackling a humorous name created by a group of great people who are themselves tackling a serious issue.</p>
<p>As <a title="Link to a picture of the Super Friends" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeldman/3813120876/in/set-72157622014232906/" target="_blank">this photo</a> conclusively proves, the people above (minus Chris Wilson and the unicorn) gathered in the recent past to discuss something very vital. Contrary to popular rumor, it was not the secret location of the Holy Grail or harnessing the power of cold fusion. Nay, they were instead talking about HTML5. More importantly, they were talking about HTML5 as &#8220;authors&#8221;. For pretty much anyone who reads this blog and doesn&#8217;t work for a browser manufacturer, that means you, or your son (if your my parents. Hi mom! Hi dad!)</p>
<p>Like the Hardy Boys, these people were industriously searching for clues, especially clues along the line of &#8220;what the hell is HTML5 anyway, and how does it apply to a web designer?&#8221; After spelunking the depths of the spec, they surfaced with two things: Firstly, they declared that <a title="Link to Loving HTML5 by Jeffrey Zeldman" href="http://www.zeldman.com/2009/08/31/loving-html5/" target="_blank">it was good</a>. Secondly, (and for my purposes, more importantly) they chose  an identity to bind them: The <a title="Link to the HTML5 Super Friends" href="http://www.zeldman.com/superfriends/" target="_blank">HTML5  Super Friends</a>.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s comic is comedic salute to their bravery and choice of identity. They&#8217;ve already done us a great deal of good by recommending alterations to the footer element (which was already a source of annoyance to yours truly) which has now come to pass.</p>
<p>Keep up the noble work, dear heroes.</p>
<p>(And in case you wanted to know, Chris Wilson&#8217;s appearance was due to his tweet <a title="Link to a tweet about unicorns by Chris Wilson" href="http://twitter.com/cwilso/statuses/3675106448" target="_blank">here</a> regarding the presence of the unicorn on the <a title="Link to the HTML5 Super Friends" href="http://www.zeldman.com/superfriends/" target="_blank">HTML5 Super Friends</a> page.)</p>
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		<title>Comic Update: HTML5 Manners</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 04:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m going to lay out a chronology of prior events for you all so that today&#8217;s comic has a context other than the poor movie experience that was X-Men Origins: Wolverine (I really wanted to love that movie.)
Chris Wilson (W3C HTML WG co-chair and Microsoft employee) posted an e-mail to a HTML5 discussion that made [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to lay out a chronology of prior events for you all so that <a title="Link to CSSquirrel Comic #16 - HTML5 Manners" href="http://www.cssquirrel.com/comic/?comic=16" target="_blank">today&#8217;s comic</a> has a context other than the poor movie experience that was X-Men Origins: Wolverine (I really wanted to love that movie.)</p>
<p><a title="Link to Chris Wilson's blog" href="http://cwilso.com/" target="_blank">Chris Wilson</a> (W3C HTML WG co-chair and Microsoft employee) <a title="Link to HTML5 Discussion Email" href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Apr/0260.html" target="_blank">posted an e-mail to a HTML5 discussion</a> that made reference to the &#8220;W3C HTML5 Spec&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mark Pilgrim (Google employee and <a title="Link to WHATWG Blog" href="http://blog.whatwg.org/" target="_blank">WHATWG Blog</a> author) <a title="Link to WHATWG IRC chat where Mark Pilgrim insults Chris Wilson" href="http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20090430#l-501">in the WHATWG IRC channel</a> then implies that HTML WG co-chair <a title="Link to Sam Ruby's blog" href="http://intertwingly.net/blog/" target="_blank">Sam Ruby</a> would have been attempting to be divisive had he written that e-mail, but since it came from the other chair, Chris, he was in fact being stupid.</p>
<p><a title="Link to Shelley Power's blog" href="http://realtech.burningbird.net/" target="_blank">Shelley Powers</a> (computer book author, software developer and technology architect) <a title="Link to Going Non-Standard by Shelley Powers" href="http://realtech.burningbird.net/semantic-web/semantic-web-issues-and-practices/going-non-standard" target="_blank">expresses utter frustration in a blog post</a> about the future of HTML5 by pointing out this incident and many others that indicates a &#8220;Hatfield-McCoy feud&#8221; (in her words) between the W3C and WhatWG that is miring the whole process down. Gems in her post include an IRC discussion (<a title="Link to WHATWG IRC chat on Microdata" href="http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20090430#l-693" target="_blank">starts here</a>, <a title="Link to Microformats IRC discussion about microdata" href="http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20090430#l-193" target="_blank">ends here</a>) between HTML5 editor Ian Hickson and Microformats champion Tantek Celik where Ian shows his bias in the microdata issue (read that: whether to include RDFa in HTML5) by asking Tantek to vet the use-case submissions. The &#8220;vetting&#8221; quickly devolves to the pair saying &#8220;Use microformats for everything&#8221; or if such a situation isn&#8217;t possible, to simply create a custom microformat for your own use.</p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s it, let&#8217;s make dozens of one-shot formats to solve the many microdata issues we&#8217;ll doubtlessly be facing in the next several years. That can&#8217;t possibly create any sort of data-harvesting compatibility issues. If I can see the shortsightedness of this issue (and I fail to wear coats on cloudy days because &#8220;it&#8217;s not raining yet&#8221;) then you can bet this isn&#8217;t a tenable, long-term solution.</p>
<p>They take some time to attack Creative Commons while they&#8217;re at it.</p>
<p>These aren&#8217;t the only times these sort of offensive public conversations have occurred, where WhatWG members have publicly derided, insulted or challenged the intelligence of the individuals they&#8217;re politely talking to in other conversations about topics they&#8217;re mutually involved in (such as HTML5). <a title="Link to Last Week in HTML5" href="http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Mr. Last Week in HTML5</a> is a great (albeit foul-mouthed and somewhat spiteful) source of links to these conversations occurring all the time.</p>
<p>Ian <a title="Link to comment by Ian Hickson on Shelley Power's blog" href="http://realtech.burningbird.net/semantic-web/semantic-web-issues-and-practices/going-non-standard#comment-1367" target="_blank">responded to Shelley&#8217;s post</a>, taking umbrage (as Shelley put it) at her &#8220;insulting accusation&#8221;. Shelley&#8217;s response cut to the core of the matter, exposing the main issue at hand here, and one that needs some serious addressing. In her words: &#8220;<em>Don&#8217;t you get it? Don&#8217;t you see what Last Week in HTML5 is trying to demonstrate? You talk respect in my comments, or Sam&#8217;s comments, and elsewhere, but you show disrespect to me, to Sam, to others, in the IRC, and it completely undermines everything that you do.</em> &#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t state it better. These people aren&#8217;t average developers trading insults about trivial code snippets on small-scale projects. These are industry movers-and-shakers who are supposed to be working together to help create the standards that will define how we use HTML and other web technologies for years to come. I expect professional disagreement to occur (I&#8217;d be worried and concerned if that didn&#8217;t happen). But to start insulting one another personally in a public discussion (or frankly, privately) is shameful to the entire process and the entire community that is depending on them to do a good job.</p>
<p>Shame on you, sirs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with the following quotes from <a title="Link to IRC discussion where Hixies tries to use a smiley to escape criticism" href="http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20090324#l-153" target="_blank">this IRC discussion</a> including <a title="Link to Doug Schepers blog" href="http://schepers.cc/" target="_blank">Doug Schepers</a>, Ian Hickson, and a person named &#8216;roc&#8217; (I don&#8217;t know his real name)<strong> [edit: As I've been informed in the comments, roc is Mozilla's <a title="Link to Robert O'Callahan's blog" href="http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/" target="_blank">Robert O'Callahan</a>]</strong>:</p>
<p><em>shepazutoo (Doug): wow, Hixie, &#8220;contradicting other specs has never stopped the SVGWG before&#8221; (q.v. xlink, css, etc)&#8230; first, those were almost certainly mistakes rather than purposeful contradictions, and second, you&#8217;re acting like the current SVG WG is the same set of companies and individuals that wrote the SVG 1.1 spec,<strong> which you know to be false&#8230; can you please drop the political histrionics? </strong>we&#8217;re acting in good faith to correct some past errors, and to work with other WGs and with browser vendors to make all the specs align usefully</em></p>
<p><em>Hixie (Ian): i think you may have missed the smiley</em></p>
<p><em>roc (Robert): a smiley is not a &#8220;get out of jail free card&#8221; to be annoying </em></p>
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