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		<title>Comic Update: The W3C/WHATWG Community Theater Group</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#8217;t help but be shocked at times at the drama and ugliness that builds up around the HTML5 effort. Good men and women, thinking that they can make a difference, time and again enter the dangerous mailing lists of the W3C and WHAT WG only to be ignored at best or belittled and chewed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but be shocked at times at the drama and ugliness that builds up around the HTML5 effort. Good men and women, thinking that they can make a difference, time and again enter the dangerous mailing lists of the W3C and WHAT WG only to be ignored at best or belittled and chewed to pieces. These are zones (allegedly) of collaboration, but instead seem more at times like zones of war.</p>
<p>Go ahead and <a title="Link to W3C public html mailing list archives" href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/" target="_blank">take a look for yourselves</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d think that this was just me overreacting, but when I <a title="Link to a tweet by Kyle Weems" href="http://twitter.com/cssquirrel/statuses/2860042794" target="_blank">tweeted on Sunday</a> about my thoughts on the drama in the lists, I got a number of responses that illustrate that I&#8217;m not alone in my perception.</p>
<p><a title="Link to Jin Yang's 8164.org" href="http://www.8164.org/" target="_blank">Jin Yang</a> indicated that <a title="Link to a tweet by Jin Yang" href="http://twitter.com/jzy/statuses/2860054885" target="_blank">popcorn was a good snack</a> while watching the drama unfold. After I made a bar brawl analogy, <a title="Link to David Peterson's author profile" href="http://www.sitepoint.com/articlelist/497/" target="_blank">David Peterson</a> suggested that <a title="Link to a tweet by David Peterson" href="http://twitter.com/davidseth/statuses/2860315143" target="_blank">whiskey might help them calm down</a>, and that his two year old has progressed farther in the manners department. <a title="Link to a John Foliot's Unrepentant" href="http://john.foliot.ca/" target="_blank">John Foliot</a> <a title="Link to a tweet by John Foliot" href="http://twitter.com/johnfoliot/statuses/2860265889" target="_blank">provided some perspective</a> sharing that this &#8220;us &amp; them&#8221; mentality is a relatively new thing. And <a title="Link to Digital Bazaar" href="http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/" target="_blank">Manu Sporny</a> joked that the W3C and WHAT WG <a title="Link to a tweet by Manu Sporny" href="http://twitter.com/manusporny/statuses/2860844979" target="_blank">originated as community theater groups</a>.</p>
<p>Naturally, his joke was comedy, not fact. But I couldn&#8217;t help but think, <em>what if&#8230;</em>? So <a title="Link to CSSquirrel #29: The W3C/WHATWG Community Theater Group" href="/comic/?comic=29">today&#8217;s comic</a> portrays Manu Sporny and the Squirrel attending a fateful showing of <a title="Link to Wikipedia article on Our American Cousin" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_American_Cousin" target="_blank">Our American Cousin</a>.</p>
<p>I want to say that I do see a lot of polite dialogue in the lists. I&#8217;m just amazed at how much bad behavior (sometimes well dressed, mind you) makes it into the discussions. Here&#8217;s hoping the good outweighs the bad by the time Last Call rolls around.</p>
<p>(As a closing note, I like the term <a title="Link to Wikipedia article on Dundrearyisms" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundrearyism" target="_blank">Dundrearyisms</a>.)</p>
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