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Comic Update: Larry Ate HTML5

Posted by Kyle Weems on February 15, 2010

My grandfather, who unfortunately has been dead for several years, was a man fond of four-letter words to express his sentiments. Once a Navy sailor and a lumberjack, he’d adopted to a picturesque family life a little late in his years. Imagine a charming, smiling old fellow who’d be wearing a nice suit and tie as he shook your hand, then you’d notice “Lloyd” was tattooed on his knuckles. (Hidden under the nice suit was a much larger tattoo of a giant patriotic eagle on his chest.) Midway through a church picnic, he might let slip some colorful language during a tale.

My grandmother did her best to correct his language. One word she’d like to encourage him to use instead was “hooey.”

Today’s comic features hooey. It also features Ian “the Leviathan” Hickson, Google employee and HTML5 editor-for-life (nowadays, he’s more of a generic HTML editor-for-life, which is likely a much sweeter gig) as well as Larry Masinter, Principle Scientist at Adobe.

The hooey in the comic is hyperbole for the effect of comedy; Ian has not outed Larry as a cannibal.

However, Ian did perform some character assassination last Friday when he fired off this blog post accusing Adobe of “blocking” HTML5. He also took the opportunity to simultaneously claim he couldn’t reveal the author of a post for it being in a private list (he chose to use the word “secret”, likely for dramatic effect) while immediately revealing the author’s identity in the very following paragraph (which in this case was Larry.)

There’s a few issues here that point at the continuing mire that is the political process of HTML5, and the resulting decrease in public confidence in the resulting product. First, we’ll look at Ian’s charge: that somehow Adobe is blocking HTML5. This is an absurd statement from Hixie, who’s made it clear that the WHATWG controls HTML5 (in his view) and not the W3C. So for him to claim that a W3C action is impacting the adoption of a spec he adamantly states is in WHATWG’s hand is like saying that the mayor of Osaka, Japan is blocking the Washington state budget from being passed. It’s an act of dishonesty at worst, or emotional manipulation of his readership at best.

(I am not saying the W3C doesn’t have a leadership role in the HTML5 effort. Rather, I’m saying that according to many prior statements by Ian, it doesn’t.)

Regardless, several people caught this “story” and ran with it. Perhaps it’s the Apple/Adobe conflict spawning fanboys and lines drawn in the sand, but a lot of people are willing to demonize Adobe at the drop of a hat. So, rapidly, the word was tweeted throughout the digital realms: Adobe hates HTML. And kicks babies.

I wonder how many of those re-tweeters use Photoshop, Illustrator or Dreamweaver on a regular basis?

Fortunately, some non-partisan cowboys came riding into town and cleared the air with a thoughtful examination on the situation. In particular, I recommend reading Simon St. Laurent’s The Widening HTML5 Chasm and Thom Holwerda’s Teacup, Meet Storm, part IV. Please take the opportunity to peruse their posts for some perspective. Once you’ve received that enlightenment, continue.

Done? Ok. Onwards, then.

Ian Hickson is a Google employee. Which means he’s a smart man. His track record of work speaks to that effect, and it’s worth saying that despite my disagreements with his process, much of HTML5’s good parts have appeared thanks to his efforts as the spec’s editor.

Ian Hickson has a methodology for handling people. It’s documented at his website here. One section on discrediting has some lovely gems that seem to apply to the situation: “Discredit the man who produced the report, off the record.” and “Say that he is harbouring a grudge against your group.

Also, I’m going to propose that our dear Leviathan has been working on HTML5 for quite some time, and as such has been up to his eyeballs in the process for years. He knows how the process works, clearly, and has historically shown his willingness to ignore said process if that gave him the opportunity to do what he preferred over what the majority desired. (That’s also in his book on handling people: If you don’t agree with a rule you are told to follow, announce your agreement to it in a statement, and in that statement, assert that you intend to follow it in a manner consistent with some other set of rules; or that you will consider certain passages as merely being “advisory”.)

So he’s smart, follows a personal methodology of handling people that involves discrediting them, and he’s familiar with the W3C process. Right?

Very well then. Let me say it: Ian’s insinuations about Adobe were, as my grandmother would say, hooey. Intentional hooey. My grandfather would have used a stronger term. Ian deliberately publicized the identity of someone who posted in a private mailing list (immediately after claiming he could not). He used words like “secret” to provide a sense of conspiracy. He used Adobe as a scape-goat so that we’d all see that HTML5 was being blocked by W3C processes (despite his insistence that the W3C has nothing to do with the actual invention and progression of HTML5).

This is the man who doesn’t like HTML5 politics? This is the man who will be controlling HTML5 all versions of HTML for the remainder of his life?

Well, that’s just splendid.

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14 Responses to “Comic Update: Larry Ate HTML5”

  1. That “methodology for handling people” is actually a transcript of “The Greasy Pole” episode of Yes, Minister. I suspect a joke.Frankly, I’ve come to hate Adobe exactly because I’ve had to use Photoshop and Illustrator every day (I’d rather chew my –ahem–nuts off than use Dreamweaver).

  2. Yup, Huxley is right.

    So is Hixie’s support for “humanitarian eugenics” one big sendup of Jonathan Swift? Who knows. Regardless, he’s been a poor leader of HTML5 mainly because he’s trying to fix everything himself instead of delegating the responsibility.

  3. “Adobe hates HTML. ”

    Never seen the output of Dreamweaver before, have you.

    “I wonder how many of those re-tweeters use Photoshop, Illustrator or Dreamweaver on a regular basis?”

    If you had to use any of these on a regular basis, you’d develop a healthy hatred of Adobe as well. (Pro-tip… stick with CS3 and skip the $1000 upgrade fee for CS4, which only adds instability and useless features.)

    A more interesting question is why people knee-jerk defend Adobe so quickly…probably because it has established itself as the new Sworn Enemy of Apple.

    “Ian Hickson has a methodology for handling people. It’s documented at his website here.”

    Lol at the personal attack without content. Ian has a little file for criminals too… does that make him a criminal? http://ian.hixie.ch/bible/criminals
    Frankly, without proper context, how do you know if what he wrote is a manifesto or an educational/satirical piece?

    “I am not saying the W3C doesn’t have a leadership role in the HTML5 effort. Rather, I’m saying that according to many prior statements by Ian, it doesn’t.”

    And thank god it doesn’t. XHTML 2 anyone?

  4. Kyle, why do you hate our freedom? Why don’t you support our troops? Think of the children!! If you have nothing to hide, why do you need privacy?

  5. http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-html-wg-minutes.html#item07

  6. That is so unfair, I’m sure Larry is capable of eating atleast two babies at a time. I mean, realllly. ;-)

  7. So a Formal Objection is now a “hold?” That’s even more ridiculous than accusing someone working in secret through a public mailing list.

  8. If anyone is interested in the far less exciting and scandalous W3C FAQ about this critically important and earthshaking drama, go here:

    http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/02/working_group_publication_requ.html

  9. Kyle, I know it probably wouldn’t work in the comic and it would take away from the message, but you missed at least 3 important facts in your blog entry.

    1. Larry didn’t hold up HTML(5). He objected to the publication of different documents, not the html(5) spec. So claiming that he’s holding up HTML(5) is dishonest as well.

    2. The documents he objected to publication are not currently part of the WG’s charter, and do not have a status section that states what is going on with them. Are they now deliverables, ie going through the Last Call, Candidate Recomendation, Recomendation process? Are they going to be just WG Notes? One of the documents, the MicroData spec, is roughly Ian’s counter-proposal to HTML-RDFa.

    3. The W3C has two mailing lists for HTML for the sole purpose of trying to reduce the traffic for the people interested in the technical areas of development. The private list is only for administrative manners. Many people that want to contribute technically are already overwhelmed with the public mailing list and couldn’t care less about telcon agendas, action items assigned and completed, bug reports updated, etc. The private for administrative and public for technical discussion is very consistent with the W3C’s behavior of many years.

    Larry’s actions seem incredibly reasonable to me, and basically are part of the process of having other experienced parties involved in the W3C working groups.

  10. Ok… I am new to the markup geek world (working as webmaster for several clients). Is it possible to get a group of ultra markup geeks and oppose HTML5 with a markup of our own made in SGML? Is their any use for SGML in the future?

  11. Carlos, I’m going to try to update you on what you idea involves. (Quite a few people express something similar nowadays. Curiously enough, especially in regions where browsers other than IE have their strongholds.) How can you be contacted?

  12. You can click on my name if the (mailto) works this way. I was just getting into SGML, sort of learning it in the sense of the history of markup. And then it occurred to me that html5 has no DTD. so, in my newbiness I had to inquire.

  13. Oops! It does not work that way… pardon. mannclay@gmail.com

  14. Still seems like “hooey” is an understatement; comments on http://masinter.blogspot.com/2010/02/masinter-and-web-standards-oh-my.html.

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